When Ladies Meet 1933 pre-code Loy Harding Montgomery When Ladies Meet 1933 pre-code Loy Harding Montgomery When Ladies Meet 1933 pre-code Loy Harding Montgomery
Ann Harding
Myrna Loy
Robert Montgomery
When Ladies Meet 1933 pre-code Loy Harding Montgomery When Ladies Meet 1933 pre-code Loy Harding Montgomery When Ladies Meet 1933 pre-code Loy Harding Montgomery
Alice Brady
Frank Morgan
Martin Burton
Released by MGM | Directed By Harry Beaumont

Proof That It’s Pre-Code

  • It’s very much about dealing with adultery, which is explored and discussed at some length. This also includes talk about ‘good’ girls and not so good ones.

When Ladies Meet: And Sparks Fly

“I tell you, this is an awfully hard age for a good woman to live in. I mean, a woman who wants to have any fun. The old instincts of right and wrong merely hold you back. You’re neither one thing or the other. You’re neither happy and bad nor good and contented. You’re just discontentedly decent.”

I’m a sucker for a good, smart drama (with plenty of humorous, verbal loop de loops), and When Ladies Meet is that in spades.

Mary (Myrna Loy) is a novelist working on a book about a bright young woman who’s been living as a kept woman to a married man for a year. The climax of the book shows the kept woman confronting the man’s wife, and the wife graciously stepping aside. Art imitates reality, of course, as Mary has been seeing her publisher, Rogers (Frank Morgan in an uncharacteristically mature (and sexy) role), for about as long and expects to do the same with his wife (and get the same result). The only ‘x’ factor is Jimmie (Robert Montgomery), who is in love with Mary, and decides to teach her what she’s actually doing to Rogers’ wife. He does this by smuggling Rogers’ wife, Claire (Ann Harding, as great as ever), to an overnight party hosted by their ditsy friend Bridget (Alice Brady) and Walt (Martin Burton), the pianist Bridget sponsors/sleeps with.

Jimmie decides not to tell Mary who Claire is and vice versa. Mary and Claire hit it off extraordinarily well (and are both terrible at singing, which helps), and the two end up talking a great deal about Mary’s book, contrasting their perspectives in a novel written about them while neither realize that they’re talking to the other person about their real situation the entire time. It’s very talky, but fascinating as the two probe their relationships with Rogers and their ideas on fidelity and love, only to finally uncover the ugly, stinking truth in the final act.

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Shake hands if you love Asta.

When Ladies Meet is a movie that we would describe nowadays as very ‘meta’. Because Mary is writing a book describing the events that are reflecting her reality, it gives the characters ample opportunity to comment and dissect upon exactly what’s happening to them and their own feelings. Mary tries to craft her book to reflect her ideals. Jimmie handily dissects her problem for her in one brief passage:

“I’m telling you the truth because I love you. You used to be able to write about men and women. Your last book has neither. You take a decent girl and a perfectly grand guy who’s a married man, and before you get through with them they’re neither fish, flesh, but slightly fowl. They haven’t got a leg left to stand on.”

Jimmie, who’s supposed to be a newspaperman (with apparently the best work hours ever since he only heads to the office once in the entire picture) is coloring this passage in his own way, frustrated by Mary’s infatuation with Rogers. But that sample dialogue gives you a good feel for what When Ladies Meet is like: fast, urbane, punchy and droll. It’s art directed beautifully, from Mary’s apartment to Bridget’s chic country home. Every frame has all of the care and detail that MGM could squeeze in put on screen, well suited to the sophisticated pokes at marriage and infidelity.

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See, look at all this chic. This what my grandmother’s house must have looked like fresh out of the box.

The acting is marvelous in it. Loy, just (finally) coming off her ‘exotic’ phase that saw her play Javanese serial killers and Chinese bondage fetishists, elevates Mary’s role remarkably, giving her enough wit and sense to make her believable as an acclaimed novelist, but enough airy romantic ideals to allow the audience to understand how her affair with Rogers has disconnected her from reality via pretty words and promises. She’s lost her mooring. Here’s a fluttering thought that she tells Rogers late one night in her apartment while his wife is partying elsewhere.

“I want to write about exceptional women. Who do fine things. I’d like to live like one. If I could find a way. I mean, without getting swamped or being nasty. Well, what’s wrong with that?”

Basically, Mary wants to be noble and brave without having to make any sacrifice. Which, I suppose, we all do, though not all of us are sanctimonious as to put our presumed amazingness into self-authored books.

Mary’s in for a long fall as she learns that ‘modern’ women still have love and desire for a man even after he’s wronged her and that family can be a hell of a glue. It’s not one-sided, though, as Claire uses the experience to learn finally what lies she’d clung to for years about her relationship in order to make things last. Both women are smart and complicated, but both have hung to facades of a man to maintain an illusion of their own invincibility.

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Well, invincibility outside of the terrible vocal ranges.

Harding is great in this, too, I should add. She has this baroque voice matched by the slyest damn smile. She has a great sense of mischief about her, as well as a deep sense of sadness that follows her around like a raincloud, with both being able to be flipped masterfully. Others reviewers have complained about the star wattage of this version versus its remake (more on that below), but I think if you’ve never heard or seen an Ann Harding film, that’s your own damn fault and not the film’s.

All of the other actors are fun. Robert Montgomery spent a lot of the pre-Code era as the guy women either did or didn’t want to be with but almost never ended up with. (I secretly fear that’s because writers didn’t want to set women’s expectations too high by assuring them that they could get someone as suave, funny and witty as Montgomery, but I digress.) Some viewers may be put off by his character’s callousness, others may admire it. I fall into the latter, but people who don’t see infidelity as such a big deal– which is probably more common nowadays– may be put off by the way he’s vindicated at the end. Take, for example, this argument from early in the film between Jimmie and Mary, who can’t quite deal with each other’s views on cheating despite both being in favor of what was then termed ‘free love’:

Jimmie: “When she’s good she’s good, she’s bad she’s bad, and that’s all there is to it.”

Mary: “Oh, that’s Victorian bunk. You’re even out of touch with your own sex, Jimmie.”

Jimmie: “Would you do what that girl in the book does?”

Mary: “A book’s a book.”

Jimmie: “A man wants a decent woman to stay decent. If she doesn’t, why he bawls her out for doing the one thing in the world that he always told her was the greatest thing a woman can do. Giving him all… for love. If your girl ever did what she wanted her to, the guy’d get so sick of her in about a year that he’d poke her in the nose. Gosh, I’ve persuaded so many women and hated ’em afterwards.”

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Will Jimmie get the girl or just piss her off to no end?

Frank Morgan plays a sexy older man, which is not something I thought I’d ever write, let alone praise. Morgan has a fascinating ability to build a fakeness into Rogers, making all of his relationships seem a little off than all of the other characters, save Jimmie, which the women attribute to his kindness or charm. Jimmie knows what it really is, and, in the scene where the two are alone and finally have a showdown, we finally get to see the real Rogers and not the self-perpetuated literary ideal of the man.

Alice Brady is very, very funny as Bridget, a woman obsessed with image and sex, and frustrated by having to pretend not to care about the friction between the two in 1930s society. She’s the Samantha of the group, I suppose. And now I’m dating myself.

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Negotiating the realities of life.

Based on a play by famous Broadway dramatist Rachel Crothers (with whom I apparently share a hometown), When Ladies Meet often feels like a play– attempts to open it up are mixed, since it still stays confined to single locations, even if they’re more expansive than what you’d get in a theater. With that in mind, it’s still a very lavish production, and much of the film’s dialogue feels very strong and snappy. It’s like The Thin Man by way of The Purple Rose of Cairo or some such metaphor that makes more sense.

It’s also about what cheating can do to a person whether they know it or not, and the compromises people make to find and stay happy. It’s very funny, very talky, and very smart.


The ‘Cast’ and .gif at the bottom of the article are all from the original TCM rip I based this review off of. Here are some images from the WAC Forbidden Hollywood Volume 9 release that demonstrate just how nice of a restoration it is:

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Trivia & Links

  • The movie was remade in 1941 with Joan Crawford as Mary, Greer Garson as Claire, Robert Taylor as Jimmie and Herbert Marshall as Rogers. I haven’t seen it, but what I’ve read suggests that Mary is dumbed down significantly and hasn’t started the affair yet while one IMDB reviewer praised Greer Garson’s “ethical acting”, so I think I’ll just not bother. Here’s the trailer for the morbidly curious:

  • Good ol’ Doctor Macro has some excellent pics for this one.
  • The Motion Pictures finds the plotting cliched, but still give it high marks and says it shouldn’t be missed by fans of pre-Code cinema. And I agree!

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jameswharris · May 29, 2015 at 1:06 am

This is one of my favorite movies and hate that it’s not on DVD. I’ve tried to watch the remake, but it just doesn’t have the style of the original, or the cutting edge.

    Danny · May 30, 2015 at 11:17 pm

    Good to know. And hopefully the DVD isn’t too far off!

Lesley · May 29, 2015 at 1:26 am

I fell for this movie in a big way when TCM aired it last year and it has held up on subsequent viewings. It really does hit on all cylinders—intelligent, witty script, fabulous ensemble, and great art direction and production values. And it’s so *adult*—not Pre-Code in the commonly used way but to deal with these matters frankly was about to become impossible until the late ’60s, fer chrissakes. I haven’t seen the remake either, but the “ethical” acting and dumbed-down Mary plus having the affair impending rather than ongoing totally unbalances it, for me. Also, I adore Alice Brady, and that monologue she has about how in her era a woman can’t figure out how to be one thing or the other is very funny but also insightful. This movie deserves to be better known, but perhaps the lack of lingerie scenes, crime, drugs, etc. makes it seem too tame for a lot of Pre-Code lovers. It’s just a really good adult comedy, and that’s a rarity in any era. Excellent review, Danny!

    Danny · May 30, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    I was really surprised I’d never heard of it before, it really is one of those really smart movies that’s both fun and surprisingly mature at the same time. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Lesley, I totally agree with them.

Brittaney · May 29, 2015 at 4:23 am

I’ve seen both this movie and the remake. In my opinion Joan Crawford is just a little too strong or stubborn in this role compared to Myrna Loy. It leaves me unable to sympathize with her character as I can with Loy’s. Also, although I love Greer Garson, she’s just a bit too prim and goody-goody for me. I think the earlier version plays better, because the characters come across human with both strengths and weaknesses that you can relate to whereas the remake seems cariacatured (is that word?).

    Danny · May 30, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    Yeah, I can’t really imagine Crawford– especially 1940s Crawford– playing such a smart but naive woman. And, yes, we can say that caricatured is a word. In fact, that fits a lot of remakes…

      Brittaney · May 31, 2015 at 12:44 am

      Agreed! I cringe when I hear about remakes.

Ben Frey · May 29, 2015 at 4:31 am

One of those films I always watch when it comes on. I sometimes find Alice Brady annoying, but not in this. She balances well her goofiness with a bit of naive wisdom. Maybe the best for me here is Ann Harding. She seems to to have a flawless, porcelain exterior but her smile and laughter show a warm and wise character.

    Danny · May 30, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    God I love Harding. If you haven’t seen Double Harness, do it, it’s worth the time to track down.

Peter Hyatt · May 31, 2015 at 11:03 pm

There’s a seemingly endless list of such treasures…I wish TCM would devote more time to pre-code. Excellent review.

    Danny · June 11, 2015 at 1:26 pm

    I have a feeling they’re dialing back a bit so that they can do another month dedicated to pre-Codes in September. Btu we’ll see.

girlsinthegarage · November 11, 2015 at 12:32 am

This movie is part of the latest Forbidden Hollywood set which just came out in either Sept. or Oct. 2015. I think it is volume 9. Thought you might want to know so you update the information here about it not being on DVD yet. I just wish they would re-release Double Harness since I love that movie too and it had a limited DVD release and is already out of print again.

    Danny · January 8, 2016 at 12:39 am

    Thanks! I updated the review with new screen shots. I won’t ever understand limited release timelines for manufacture-on-demand disks, to be honest.

      jameswharris · January 8, 2016 at 12:54 am

      Danny, I wish you’d elaborate on manufacture-on-demand disks. I’ve notice that Amazon is selling more of them, and it makes me worry that I’m buying something that’s not as good.

jankeough11 · May 4, 2019 at 5:27 am

Loved your review – because I agree with all you said! “Thoroughbred” indeed! But wish you’d mentioned the caddy’s scene (played by Sterling Holloway – yes, uncredited, sigh) who stands out for his ridiculous sneezes! Also, wasn’t familiar with Alice Brady before and enjoyed her portrayal so much that I looked her up. Shame she died just 6 years after ‘Ladies Meet’.

As for the other stars – Montgomery, Loy & Hardy – they’re spot on. That publisher, Rogers, is a nasty piece of work, though. Transparent in his wooing of his author, Mary, I could hardly believe it was Wizard of Oz’s own Frank Morgan. What’s with smart, sexy women falling for these duffers!

When Ladies Meet – the only version worth the time. I lasted about 12 minutes in the updated mediocre remake. Crawford, Taylor, Garson – Ugh. Always good to see Herbert Marshall, though.

– Sorry for going on so long!

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